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dragovianknight ([personal profile] dragovianknight) wrote2011-05-13 12:24 pm

Y'all know I love Insane Journal

But I am really, really not happy about the current purge of journals which haven't been active since January 2010. Not happy about the fact that Squeaky, who supposedly understood fandom and welcomed us, doesn't give a damn about wiping out stories and art and history which may not be archived anywhere else, and not happy about the fact that he set the journals to deleted, and THEN sent out emails telling us how to save our journals if we wanted to keep them.

So, perhaps DW is going to end up being my primary journal after all. :(
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[personal profile] helens78 2011-05-13 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
FFFFFFFFF.

And deleting journals from people who've passed away, and can't exactly come back and reclaim them? REALLY SUCKS.
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[personal profile] helens78 2011-05-13 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
The delete-and-purge just bothers me so much. I could see doing a forced-rename to free up usernames, if usernames really and truly are worth that much revenue. Or even an icon purge, as for the most part, icons aren't the meat of an entry. But to get rid of entries like that really floors me.
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[personal profile] helens78 2011-05-13 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
*nodnod* :( :( :(

I can see what's up there to a certain extent -- that there would likely be false positives in any search for accounts created by spambots -- but the fact that journals with entries are going into this purge is horribly disappointing.
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[personal profile] helens78 2011-05-13 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
*SIGH* to the "other sites who had the funds, yadda yadda" bit.

As for the icons, it's one of those eternal conundrums. The more icons a site lets you have, the more certain it is to either tank completely (GJ) or turn to increasingly desperate measures for money (IJ), apparently.
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[personal profile] dingsi 2011-05-13 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
...... gaaaaaaah I can't believe--

I'm sorry, just GAH.

(ETA: also, the user comments, urgh. "You seem to misunderstand this websites purpose if you think it's supposed to maintain an archive for all of it's users. This is not dropbox,com or mozy.com. It's not a storage unit for your game. If you are no longer actively using a journal, why should this website be forced to maintain it for you?" DID THIS PERSON EVER UNDERSTAND JOURNALING I MEAN SERIOUSLY WHAT)
Edited 2011-05-13 20:21 (UTC)
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[personal profile] helens78 2011-05-13 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
That really makes me want to scream. FACEBOOK AND TWITTER AND TUMBLR ARE RUINING EVERYTHING.

Okay, not really, but I think the mindset of someone for whom a journal is merely another ephemeral way to keep in touch with friends has everything to do with one's primary experience being on sites which don't have any kind of easy way to go back and look up one's stuff from month to month, where one only ever experiences posts in a constantly-scrolling jumble that don't form any kind of continuity. Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr... for all the advantage each of them has individually, they're not the same as a journaling site, with a Memories function (however broken) and a Calendar function and many easy ways to see exactly what you were doing on October 13, 2008.

And, okay, maybe that's the primary userbase of IJ these days. Who knows.

But that doesn't mean that a service should be ripping that archival functionality and continuity out of the hands of its users. Especially not with so little warning as to make it nearly impossible to save data.
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[personal profile] dingsi 2011-05-13 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I love Tumblr but the problems I have with the site come (mainly) exactly from the things you mentioned, that there is no proper way to archive and categorise one's content so I have no feeling of... being grounded in time. Not in the sense of having a diary, I guess, but definitely in the way I want to organise my content and be able to easily go back to it. And I often get the feeling that I'm too slow for Tumblr.

I don't mind if some people want to discard their own journals once they aren't in use anymore, that's their decision. But it really boggles me that commenters like this one think it ought to apply GENERALLY.
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[personal profile] nashira 2011-05-23 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm late to the party but I just have to say... What?!
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[personal profile] dingsi 2011-05-13 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Just read this:

"Would you please NOT send the passwords in CLEAR TEXT when sending out those notifications?!"

.........
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[personal profile] helens78 2011-05-13 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I DON'T EVEN
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[personal profile] ilyena_sylph 2011-05-13 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Aaaaaaaaaaaugh.

*hugs on, shakes head*

I had an IJ as a backup, and now I'm not sure if I care enough to keep it.
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[personal profile] smurasaki 2011-05-14 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
Whut.

That sounds like some massive fail there. Are they trying to compete with Livejournal or something?
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[personal profile] rosehiptea 2011-05-14 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that pissed me off too.

Also I only get letters about two journals and I have a bunch more than that. They've all been inactive quite a while, so I'm not sure what's going on.

(All but one are RP journals that might as well be deleted... but that's not the point...)
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[personal profile] helens78 2011-05-14 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
It also just occurred to me that, while I was at first thinking of forced renames as an okay thing, it totally breaks links, and people are going to be going up to these name-enviers and saying "Uh, so where's your story with the cake and beer?" And it's not like they'll know. So forced renames are as bad as deletions, because the end result is still stories disappearing, as far as anyone knows. :/
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[personal profile] lassarina 2011-05-14 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Auuuugh.

Both of my journals were perm, so they're not going anywhere, but fffff I am pretty glad I've been gone from there since open beta started here. :/

That's just...I dunno. I made unsure-face at IJ a lot over the years, but this pretty much puts the cherry on.
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[personal profile] jehanne1431 2011-05-14 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm on IJ, but only to keep up with a friend who is there.

I love DW.
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[personal profile] etcetera_cat 2011-05-19 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
*copypastes your comment*
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[personal profile] lysanatt 2011-05-19 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Here via Metafandom. I disagreed with you quite a bit at a first glance, but rereading and reading comments made me realise that you are actually very right. Also, I hadn't personally considered some of the drawbacks of this. So thanks for pointing your case out. :)

I still disagree though, just for the sake of it, that the 14 days to swap back to active is not that much of a bother. ;) But it certainly shouldn't hit journals with any form of entries in it. It is disrespectful to us as users.

I'm unfortunately not too fond of DW for various reasons, but it seems to be the last truly reliable fandom place now. *sighs*
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[personal profile] lysanatt 2011-05-19 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, my mistake. And I see what you mean.

And it will end up like GJ, I think - only RPers care to stay there, since there will be a constant flow of newly freed user names if current policy continues.

The rest of us... Is it a sign of utter fail when LJ suddenly looks more appealing than IJ? This is not exactly doing anything to keep fandom(s) together.
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[personal profile] oaktree 2011-05-19 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never had an IJ, and I don't really keep up with what's what over there, and I would consider this egregious even if all those deleted journals were ten years old. But seriously, inactive for only a year??? Ridiculous!
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[personal profile] oaktree 2011-05-20 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's a totally bullshit excuse. I don't see how anyone could buy that :/
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[personal profile] elf 2011-05-20 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
I realized fairly early that IJ wasn't going to be my Permanent Online Home. I left LJ during Strikethrough and looked around a lot--acquired IJ, GJ and JF accounts--and all of them had problems.

GJ had whacked issues with images. I kinda liked GJ, but it was on its last legs when I got there. JF has code that hasn't been updated since, what, 2004? And apparently isn't going to be. Doesn't want a solid stream of newcomers; doesn't want to expand. Was created to host fandom_wank and exists as just enough community to provide a support system for that. IJ was definitely the most robust of the three--but is unrepentantly ad-supported, has somewhat-outdated code, and occasional code glitches that take forever to get fixed. (I gather comment rot has stopped being a problem? Maybe?)

More importantly, Squeaky didn't seem eager to provide a long-term home for the huge mass of fandom that was feeling more and more unhappy at LJ. He liked the big rush of new paid accounts and the activity they brought in, but wasn't looking for new ways to keep them interested & convince them to drag their friends over. IJ now is pretty much like IJ in 2007 when I got an account.

There are things I don't like about DW (like the site style for journal entries), but I know I've got a voice in getting them changed if they really matter to me.